9670 Individuals in our Database | | | | Elisabeth Miller BETSY Sex: Female | | | |  | Birth Date | 1784 Virginia | Death Date | 1833 Richardsville, Warren County Ky | Father | Jacob Jubal Miller | Born: 1758 Montgomery County, Virginia, United States | Died: 1833 | Mother | Margaret Penner | Born: 1762 | Died: 1833 | | Elisabeth Miller Notes: | One reference lists her as Sarah Elizabeth Miller. She was born in Virginia. Some give her birth date 1784 and others 1787. One gave it 1792 - had she been born in 1792, she would have had her first son, Benjamin Runner born April 23, 1806, at age 14 which is unlikely. Her son, Henry Flora, in a census gave her birth as 1784 and said she was a native of Virginia. This would have made her 22 years old when her son Benjamin Runner was born. As her brother Henry was born in 1784, the more likely date would be 1787 (age 19 when Benjamin was born) and she would have been born between John Benjamin and James.
| Notes: | Elizabeth was the second wife of Adam Runner (Second), and he was Lovis Runners brother, making Adam Runner (Second) the uncle of the four Honakers Elizabeths brothers and sisters married. The Honaker and Miller families were "close knit"! * When Polly Honaker married in 1810, consent for her marriage was given by her mother. In 1815, consent for Anna Honaker to marry was given by her step-father, Benjamin Jones. We can establish from these facts that Joseph Honaker had died sometime before 1810 and that his widow, Lovis Honaker, had married Benjamin Jones sometime between 1810 and 1815.
| |  | Birth Date | 1751 Pulaski, Virginia Colony | Death Date | 1816 OCT 17 Rays Branch, Warren County KY. | Father | Adam Runner | Born: 1731 | Died: 1795 | Mother | Elizabeth Sarah Miller | Born: 1784 | | Married: 1802 Oct 22 | KY | Adam Jr. Runner Notes: | A Reeves family web site (www.brianreeves.com), which traces its ancestry back to Benjamin Runner, first son of Adam Runner, Jr. and his second wife, Elizabeth (Betsy) Miller, claims Adam Runner, Jr. was born in Pennsylvania. However, the 1850 US Census Records indicate Adam Runner, Jr. was born in Pulaski, Virginia Colony (located not far from Wythe). Adam Runner, Jr. married Elizabeth Peggy Penner, born in 1770 in Virginia. She died about 1800 in Warren Co, KY. Their first child, William A. Runner, was born in Montgomery County, VA. Child number four, Adam Runner, and number six, Ann Runner, were born in Wythe County, VA. The seventh child, John (Adam) Runner, was born 1795 in Wythe County, VA. Adam Runner, Jr. married his second wife Sarah Miller on October 22, 1802 and they had six more children. | Individual Notes: | DNA Tests Confirm Relationship Between Renners and Runners According to the results from the DNA testing as part of the Renner/Runner/Lauffer Project, Jacob Renner and Adam Runner Jr were related. The test subjects were myself (from the Jacob Renner line) and a descendant of Adam Runner Jr, son of Adam Renner/Runner of Montgomery/Wythe County, VA. I will be adding more information on Adam Sr to this site a little later. The Renner and Runner lines match exactly on 24 of 25 tested markers. The lone mismatch is on one of the demonstrated faster-changing markers, a situation weve seen several times in the Baker DNA Study, usually between lines where the common ancestor is in the 1700s, as is the case here. The DNA sequence is also, so far, very rare. These two tested lines match each other but no one else in the entire FTNDA database. While the tests can prove Jacob and Adam Jr were brothers, the combination of the tests showing the relationship and the preponderance of historical/genealogical evidence would seem to make a very strong case for that conclusion. Ill not go into all the details at this time (Ill add them later)—here is briefly an overview of some of the data: 1. The DNA tests show a relationship between Jacob Renner of Rockcastle County, KY, and Adam Runner Jr of Warren County, KY, son of Adam Renner/Runner of Montgomery/Wythe County, VA. 2. The ages of Jacob and Adam Jr, and the known daughters of Adam Sr, are such that they could be siblings. 3. According to court documents from Wythe, Adam Sr had a son named Jacob, presumably the Jacob who is in the Wythe County tax lists near Adam. 4. Jacobs children were born in VA. 5. Southwest VA was a common place of origin for area families. For example, the Otts and Fredericks, who settled in Rockcastle, and the Meeces of Pulaski, moved to KY from Wythe. The former were neigbors of the Renner-Runners in Wythe. 6. Almost all of Adam Srs known children moved to KY after 1800. It looks as if at least one, perhaps two, of Adams daughters were in Rockcastle in 1810 before moving on to Warren. 7. There is nothing that has come to light that contradicts Jacob being the son of Adam, including the name differences. Both families, in VA and then in KY, were variously called Renner and/or Runner. | | |
FOR=296 Ancestors Chart Parents 2 | 4 persons | 8 persons | 16 persons | 32 persons | 64 persons | 128 persons | 256 persons | 512 persons | 1024 persons | - | Jacob Jubal Miller Revolutionary War b.1758 Montgomery County, Virginia, United States d.1833 See Notes | Jacob Miller JR COLONIAL b.1726 Faulkner's Swamp, Montgomery Co., Pennsylvania Colonies d.1808 See Notes | Jacob Miller Sr b.1702 Hennigsdorf, Brandenburg, Germany d.1768 See Notes | Johann Peter Mueller II b.1660 Mayen-Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz,, Winningen, RP, Germany d.1738 | Johann Peter Mueller I b.1625 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany d.1679 | Ulrich Dietz Muller b.1598 Winningen, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany
| Phillip Muller b.1560 Bayern, Bavaria, Germany d.1616 | Johann Adam Mueller b.1510 Bayern, Bavaria, Germany d.1540 | Gabriel Muller von Kiklaus b.1471 Switzerland d.1510 | Werner Muller b.1445 Herisau, Hinterland, Appenzell Outer Rhodes, Switzerland d.1495 | MORE> | | | | | | | | | Rosina Mueller parents b.1490 Switzerland d.1590 | Niklaus Muller b.1425
| MORE> | | | | | | | | Elisabetha Jankel b.1511 Switzerland d.1540 | | | | | | | | | | | | Elisabetha Jankel b.1511 Switzerland d.1540 | | | | | | | | | Runa Pflaug b.1600 Bayern, Bavaria, Germany d.1670 | | | | | | | | | | | | Runa Pflaug b.1600 Bayern, Bavaria, Germany d.1670 | | | | | | | | | Catharina Poten parents b.1600 germany d.1690 | Ludwig Poten b.1570
| | | | | | | | | | | | Catharina Poten parents b.1600 germany d.1690 | | | | | | | | | | Catharina Poten parents b.1600 germany d.1690 | | | | | | | | | Sophia Kroeber b.1627 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany d.1683 | Philip Linden Kroeber b.1696 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany d.1670 | Johannes Peter Kroeber b.1574 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany d.1610 | Kroeber b.1550 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany
| | | | | | | | | | | | Sophia Kroeber b.1627 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany d.1683 | | | | | | | | | | Sophia Kroeber b.1627 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany d.1683 | | | | | | | | | | Sophia Kroeber b.1627 Winningen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany d.1683 | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Margaret Catherine Meuller b.1704 Germany
See Notes | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Nancy Elizabeth Fudge COLONIAL b.1728 Rockingham County, VA, United States d.1777 | Johan Peter Fudge (Fotsch) Sr JOHN Revolutionary War DAR ancestor #A043149 b.1715 UNTER HALLAU SWITZERLAND d.1784 See Notes | Johann G Fotsch b.1694 Germany d.1784 See Notes | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Christiana ? b.1682 | | | | | | | | | | | | Christiana ? b.1682 | | | | | | | | | Christina Anna Kattina magert COLONIAL b.1720 Rockingham County, Virginia, d.1784 | David Magert b.1694 d.1742 | | | | | | | | | | | | Christina Anna Kattina magert COLONIAL b.1720 Rockingham County, Virginia, d.1784 | | | | | | | | | | Carol Ann Johnke COLONIAL b.1695 Augusta County, VA, United States d.1723 | | | | | | | | | | | | Carol Ann Johnke COLONIAL b.1695 Augusta County, VA, United States d.1723 | | | | | | | Parents 2 | 4 persons | 8 persons | 16 persons | 32 persons | 64 persons | 128 persons | 256 persons | 512 persons | 1024-persons | - | Margaret Penner Peggy b.1762 Mongomery, VA d.1833 See Notes | Peter Penner DAR #: A201909 EARLY ADVENTURES ON WESTERN WATERS, VOL 1 b.1731 Virginia Colony d.1796 See Notes | George L Penner b.1709 d.1783 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Anna Honaker b.1711
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Margaret Smith COLONIAL b.1747 Virginia Colony d.1800 | MAJOR John Smith b.1715 d.1770 | CAPTAIN Augustine Smith b.1689 d.1756 | CAPTAIN John Brevard Smith b.1663 d.1698 | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sarah Carver b.1694 d.1726 | John Carver OF VIRGINIA b.1675 Gloucester County, Virginia d.1696 | Captain William Carver OF NORFOLK Hanged after Bacons Rebellion b.1622 d.1715 | Captain William Carver Sr. OF LOWER NORFOLK Hanged b.1626 Probably, Bristol, City of Bristol, England d.1676 See Notes | Richard Carver b.1561
| | | | | | | | | | | | Sarah Carver b.1694 d.1726 | | | | | | | | | | Grace Walker b.1561
| | | | | | | | | | | | Grace Walker b.1561
| | | | | | | | | Elizabeth b.1625 England, United Kingdom d.1667 | | | | | | | | | | | | Elizabeth b.1625 England, United Kingdom d.1667 | | | | | | | | | Elizabeth b.1625 England, United Kingdom d.1667 | | | | | | | | | | | | Elizabeth b.1625 England, United Kingdom d.1667 | | | | | | | | | Mary Hichon b.1631 Burnley, Lancashire, England | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | Barbara Townsend b.1703 d.1771 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 2 persons | 4 persons | 8 persons | 16 persons | 32 persons | 64 Persons | 128 persons | 256 persons | 512 persons | 1024 persons | - | | | | |